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I know a number you will be surprised at

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the topic of the talk because those who

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have been regular SSC members and come

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and have heard me speak a whole bunch of

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times have ended up seeing pictures like

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Vernon showed before either retreating

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cages of mice or you see really ugly

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looking mice and various stages of

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cancer or cancer remission but over the

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course of years are doing this over and

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over in various permutations of trying

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to figure out healing I keep getting

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requests from people and and in

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particular they say please stop talking

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about rodents so enough with the rodents

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please so I mean how you turn this down

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as a request and and so I decided

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instead and next year I'll talk about

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runs but I decided to say it to talk

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about paranormal beliefs

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now the question around the question

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about paranormal beliefs comes to my

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mind from why in all the stuff that we

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discuss here why do you accept some

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things and have a harder time with other

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things and so I do I do Studies on

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healing and with rodents and and and I

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so I do the studies on healing and and

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if you came and asked me well do you

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believe in the healing I mean to me it's

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a stupid question I don't understand the

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question at all it's not a question of

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belief I got experiment experiment

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experiment experiment it's not an

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interesting question whether you believe

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the interesting question is how does the

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stuff work the interesting question is

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what might be the karlitz of it the

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interesting question might be what

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increases efficacy things along those

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lines but is there such a thing as

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healing I mean to me I don't even

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comprehend the question to be honest yet

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on the other hand if you asked me about

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some other anomalies and you say we do

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believe it and sometimes I have to pause

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so what why do I accept or why don't I

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accept and is it because I know more

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about healing that I know about and I

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don't want to pick on anything is it I

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know more about healing

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that I know about is it because I've had

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some experience with it is it because

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I'm familiar with the literature is it

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because somebody in authority said

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something and I say well I probably make

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sense and if you're if you really think

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about this stuff and I and I suspect

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because I'm looking at heads nodding

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there's some anomalies that we talked

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about here and you go oh come on that's

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it and move on let's get to the more

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interesting questions so obviously the

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phenomenon is real but now what are the

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secondary questions what are the

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tertiary questions and they become much

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more interesting but probably everybody

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is experience the barbell effect and you

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sit there you go yeah it's too much I

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can't take it and so you probably can

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also see this in turn so my question is

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what makes you lean in in one direction

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what makes you lean in the other

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direction and and this is really I'm

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going to talk about anomalies here but

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this is really a subset of a larger

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question that could pertain to things

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which are also not anomalous so if you

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stop and think about I guess traditional

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areas of science I can ask the exact

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same questions because the reality is

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some of you may know some stuff about

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some traditional areas of science and

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you may not know a bunch of stuff about

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other traditional areas of science and

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yet you accept or reject so what's the

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basis to the acceptance or rejection so

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I'm just glancing over and I'm making us

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up as I go along and I'm looking at

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Henry and Henry will stand up here and

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I've heard Henry give a number of talks

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here that HIV doesn't cause AIDS

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now that's an anomalous statement and so

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the question would be would I buy into

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that did I buy into it because obviously

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Henry is a learned person he doesn't

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seem like he's trying to scare me but

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I'm not a biologist I don't know enough

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about AIDS I don't know I don't really

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know the technical details so he makes a

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claim like that

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on what basis what I say wow that was

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amazing I now think HIV doesn't cause

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AIDS how did Henry convert me and so

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conversion can go from

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I accept it now I reject it conversion

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can go from I reject it

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now I accept it so the question is why

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do we accept why do we reject how do we

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convert now if you're accepting a

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conventional non-anomalous phenomenon

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well I mean that that's obviously easier

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because you have the weight of social

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knows now it's politically correct to

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believe and you can fill in whatever

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blank you want

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so I guess is we're gonna have a panel

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tomorrow but it's politically correct

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now to believe in global warming so if

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you're going to come up and say now

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there's no human caused global or you're

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gonna you got it

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how you gonna defend that is it a data

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question is it a social question now the

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reality is I don't know enough for

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example I'm not an atmospheric physicist

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equation so why do I have the opinion

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that I have about the reality of global

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warming and I'm not saying what I

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believe but why do I believe whatever it

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is I believe why is it that I believe

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AIDS or why do I believe someone or the

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rest of the conventional world HIV

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controversial statement

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a non-controversial statement it's the

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same question except in one I've got the

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weight of scientific Authority behind it

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but the reality is my question is why

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would I buy into the scientific position

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why would I go against the scientific

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position because I know stuff because

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I've heard stuff because I've

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experienced stuff these are interesting

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questions so the larger set of questions

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is the real study but my thing right now

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for my limited couple of minutes here is

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paranormal beliefs that there's been

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some studies on paranormal beliefs we

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have some in even a couple of years ago

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in JSC common paranormal beliefs

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stones and we could keep going if you

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wanted a whole bunch of references on

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this and and so there is a mini industry

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out there that measures paranormal

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belief systems they they tend to I don't

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like them they tend to make the summated

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scaled scores and they do factor

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analysis to show that it holds together

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but they'll have a category for example

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even know what that means and then in a

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separate question which is correlated

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with the first is do you believe in ESP

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and so one will be this one will be this

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role would be this and then you get a

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score you know sorry for 27 in my belief

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system on paranormal beliefs but the

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kinds of things say they ask you about

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so I dissatisfied with the paranormal

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belief systems and I thought a way to

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start perhaps would be to look at stuff

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that we since we're all here together

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anyway what is it that we accept what is

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it that we reject and are there any good

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accept or reject so I made up and I

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haven't hold this together by factor

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analysis yet but I looked at ten types

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of anomalous phenomena so JIT and a

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number your obviously took the survey

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because you're part of my database so or

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general Sai and I just kind of picked

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these remote viewing the effects of

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consciousness such as pear or global

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consciousness energy healing I have

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energy in quotes because I'm not

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experience cold fusion nothing magical

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about the list and so I asked again

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number of you answered on a one to ten

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acceptance where do you stand on each of

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the ten out of one to ten rating on how

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much do you know about the stuff from

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very little to very much and the reason

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for these responses is the reason for

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your response familiarity with the

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published work is it personal experience

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is it presentation by a credible

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what I'm looking for

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I try I gathered a bunch of background

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data to see if there were any call-outs

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master's bachelors your area of advanced

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social sciences the humanities are you

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actively involved doing conventional

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research and I also asked what is your

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orientation to it and are you actively

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involved in anomalies research

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I was curious doesn't matter what your

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membership status are does it matter

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associate member you're a student member

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meetings so you come to all of it you

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hear all these talks well that do

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anything in terms of acceptance your

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knowledge where how does that affect you

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regularly read edge science so do our

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publications correlate with these

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acceptance or knowledge and things that

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those so here's the short version of the

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results I got I forgot to put the

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overall response rate but it wasn't it

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wasn't too shabby so I have 428

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respondents 35% of full members 42%

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19% discovered they weren't members

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I sent them hate mail and I said you you

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big dope comma I'll send in some dudes

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and a bunch of them did you know so

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thanks I didn't realize it had laughs

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and and this roughly corresponds to the

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distribution that we have in the SSE so

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I don't have a random sample of anything

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but I have a reasonable distribution

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that roughly corresponds perhaps

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coincidentally to the distribution that

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we actually have so who are we this is

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just some background information a

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little more than half of us have

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doctorates but a quarter have master's

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degrees slightly less than a quarter

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bachelor's degrees so the biggest

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category are people with terminal

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degrees and that's usually PhD MD the

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the largest category by a good amount we

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we come from the physical sciences

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biological sciences and then finally

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humanities about 19% say attend they do

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attend the annual meetings the reason

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for not I had a number of choices but

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these are the only two that mattered

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location or that's a reason that a

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number be and they said you know take it

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to different places I can go some of the

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time cost was the second reason there's

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only a handful of people put the content

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of the program I think there were four

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respondents who who actually clicked

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that so they liked the program they

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can't get to it they can't afford it

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three-quarters of us re JSC and about

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two-thirds of us read read science and

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I'm going to look at does your knowledge

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of these anomalies correlate with your

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reading JSC does it correlate with your

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reading edge science does your

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acceptance is your rejection again you I

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think you get the general idea so here's

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some of the of the data this is a rank

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ordering of the 10 anomalies or

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anomalous areas then on a scale of 1 to

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10 the highest rating in terms of

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acceptance was general size so you can

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figure out along the scale 8.31 the

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second-highest

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and some of these surprised me frankly

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in terms of the order the second highest

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was out of body the pair stuff survival

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remote viewing it pains me to say

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healing was sixth but still the numbers

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are up there UFO's global consciousness

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ColdFusion astrology so this is the rank

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order so we have in the only astrology

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do we have a leaning towards not

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acceptance how much do you know and this

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is self-report same thing scale of one

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to ten and so over here is the

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acceptance rank so psy is the the claim

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is this is the highest known it's also

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survival number two that surprised me I

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don't know why but it surprised me our

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de body remote-viewing UFO and you can

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see some of their positions in the

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right-hand column have changed we know

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the least about cold fusion even though

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our largest bulk of course is physical

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scientists now if you compare the rank

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or the numbers of how much do you know

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and how much do you accept accept is a

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significantly different number than know

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we accept more than we know and ponder

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that for a second so are we we tend to

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excel there are leaps of faith going on

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here our acceptance numbers are higher

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than our knowledge at least by

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self-report why do we say what we say

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and now this is ranked by acceptance so

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general psy is the most accepted out of

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body is to pair like that and so now you

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have the option of multiple responses

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but do you it's the basis of your

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response the published work personal

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experience or presentation by a credible

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Authority it turns out published work is

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by far the highest credible Authority

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drops down five minutes and this goes

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all the way through

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there's only 2.3 percent of us have a

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personal experience with cold fusion

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this is the cool of people among us what

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matters all phenomena have significant

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correlations between acceptance and

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knowledge so the higher the knowledge

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the higher the acceptance and the

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correlations range from 0.4 which is the

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lowest astrology to 0.6 4 which is the

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highest pair and most of the

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correlations are in the midpoint 5s

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comparisons of acceptance by degree you

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got nothing and this was just simple one

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way

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Novus comparison of knowledge by degree

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he got nothing nothing acceptance by

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training the area of training couldn't

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find anything

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if the anova worked I did a post hoc and

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we just got a couple of things here just

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in terms of remote viewing the people

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whose background is the Social Sciences

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alleged to know more than the people in

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the physical sciences like that but it's

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not these are just barely at 0.05 if

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you're involved in conventional research

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no strong relationships so whether you

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do research or not doesn't matter for

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your knowledge doesn't matter for your

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acceptance if you're involved in

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anomalies research however it matters so

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the people who are involved in anomalies

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research don't have much difference in

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acceptance but they claim much higher

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knowledge which I would hope if they're

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doing anomalies research they ought to

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be familiar with the stuff and so

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presumably they're reading the

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literature and things of that nature

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so that if you are involved in anomalies

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research you have higher knowledge of

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SCI of remote viewing of the pair stuff

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global consciousness UFOs out-of-body

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membership category doesn't matter

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meeting attendance seems to matter a

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little bit you're more likely to accept

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SCI remote viewing the pair stuff

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healing you are more likely to know

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about remote viewing the pair stuff

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global consciousness and healing so

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attendance seems to matter a little bit

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this is one I wish Steve Brodie were

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here if you read JSC you're less likely

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to accept Steve you watching this video

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if you read JSC you know less do we have

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a recommendation here sir no

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relationships with the reading of edge

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science and I in my desperation I even

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tried making a some aidid scale of the

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overall acceptance and the overall

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knowledge and trying some dummy variable

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regressions on I couldn't get anything

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I mean although it's technically

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statistically significant I've got three

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and a half percent explained variance

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here I got nothing to get excited about

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if you do it on knowledge I could get up

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to almost 7% explained variance so we're

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not asking the right questions I think

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is the bottom line so in summary what

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manners

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well acceptance seems to be correlated

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with knowledge that's a good thing

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acceptance is stronger than knowledge so

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there's a leap there of faith

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familiarity with the published work

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tends to be selective predictor

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involvement with anomalies research

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matters more with knowledge and

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acceptance if you come to the meeting it

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seems to matter if you read JSC it seems

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to matter but not in the filling of the

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desired direction degree doesn't matter

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training doesn't matter involvement with

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conventional research doesn't matter I

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did training twice leading-edge science

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doesn't matter so when we go with this

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well I don't have the right variables

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the the stuff that we I thought might

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matter and the questions that I asked

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don't seem to be the key I think the

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next step is to turn a little bit to

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social psychological variables and I

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think oddly enough that what what might

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be a fruitful area and I think it needs

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to be qualitative research for the next

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step is to look at sociological models

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of conversion and so there are

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interesting models of religious

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conversion and I and and perhaps they

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could be explored with some qualitative

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interviews of membership and how you got

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to do you have the right predisposition

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effectors the situational factors and

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and and things of that nature so I think

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that at least the simple kind of

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background variables don't seem to be

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all that predictive and I'm done thank

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okay we have some time for questions I'm

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so glad you could finally use your PhD

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in sociology a couple of things that I

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didn't see up there that I think are

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significant and very important one is do

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you read this skeptical literature about

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the subjects you're interested in I do

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wonder I would make an interesting

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survey and also some kind of scale

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regarding hope like in the case of

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survival you know is your belief or

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acceptance an ad based on your hope your

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fear I don't know if you can yeah I

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could also try correlation using social

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psychological variables of personality

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type the the way you're in the world is

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a whole variety of these off the shelf

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I mean I got interested in looking at it

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this way because I wasn't satisfied with

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paranormal belief of measures so they if

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you know something about the literature

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you know something about the anomalies

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that the kinds of questions that are

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asked or I don't know they grate me they

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they just this doesn't make sense I want

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to know if I believe in parapsychology I

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don't know what that means even yeah but

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thank you my name is dick Hartung I

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wonder if you've read Jonathon heights

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book the righteous the righteous mind it

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was published this year well I haven't

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okay

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he pointed he uses a paradigm in there

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or he and he's dealing basically with

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how that relates to our politics and how

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we accept that sort of thing not

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scientific material but anyway he uses a

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model of the elephant and the writer and

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the elephant leans some direction

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and then it's the writers job to explain

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why the elephant leaned in that

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direction the elephant being of course

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the subconscious and the writer being a

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conscious mind so it strikes me that

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this is similar actually to politics or

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just about everything we do we're

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involved that's why I say the parallel

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to religion also yeah yeah yeah so so

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you've got to get yourself directed to

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answer these questions toward things

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that are not really all that rational I

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guess that was my comment yeah I would

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agree I would agree but the question is

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if I started to in qualitative

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interviews will this will this come out

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or will there be defensive myths I think

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this is an interesting question

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people try to defend their beliefs that

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they already have so we can as members

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of the SSC for example we can look at

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those people who don't accept healing

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you know how could this be they must be

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closed but how many things are we also

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closed about and we would defend our

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beliefs in whatever area either

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conventional or anomalous and so I

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suspect that we're looking at perhaps

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social psychological measurements of of

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defensiveness or rigidity and things of

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that nature that simply moves through

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the causal chain that one variable but

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but I think that that kind of thing has

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to be looked at hi this is partly a

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question and also a suggestion it's

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interesting that people who read the

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texts the the journals have less

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acceptance and report less knowledge one

522
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interesting thing might be to have

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people watch movies that are about psy

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phenomenon our consciousness phenomenon

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new edge science type of stuff because

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movies might be a very different way we

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all know they are a very different way

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of communicating information so that

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might be something yeah you ask people

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for movie suggestions and see that's

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because like in a dream you know

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when I have a dream I don't read a book

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you know I get a movie of some sort for

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as an example right right yeah a lot of